A community discussion on forming a blackjack counting team, plus a candid exchange on advantage play, hole-carding, legality and the classic reference books.
RJT: Now when you say 'hole card play' i'm assuming you've got some form of hole card reader??
eyecu702: Hole card play is legal as long as there's no device used or a dealer/agent collusion. It requires a lot of practice, great skills and knowledge and probably the most important part, the weak dealer. Hole card play is an advantage game and just like counting, teams get backed off. I suggest the book Beyond Counting by Grosjean.
RJT: I'd love to read 'Beyond Counting', the topic sounds facinating!! But the big question is where can i get a copy. Just had a good look about online and it seems to be completely out of print…..
MIT_Mike: Unfortunatley the book is completely out of print, but from what I have heard Grosjean will be coming out with a Beyond Counting II.
RJT: Yeh i got the impression that he was going to release a follow up from this site:
daddy-o: Yo! Isn't hole card reading illegal? daddy-o